POLL: Is Mosaic better than Stereolithic?

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Is Mosaic better than Stereolithic?

  1. Yes, Mosaic is better

    43 vote(s)
    51.8%
  2. No, Stereolithic is the winner

    40 vote(s)
    48.2%
  1. Running123

    Running123 Well-Known Member

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    I think Perfect Mistake is very bad and worse than the majority of songs from the DTOM-UP stretch.
     
  2. RubADub

    RubADub Well-Known Member

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    That's interesting. I actually thought PM was the worst song on Mosaic when I first heard it. But unlike mostly everyone on here, I've grown to kind of like it over time. It's my second favorite Feldman track (I like On A Roll)
     
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  3. jukeboxgroove

    jukeboxgroove Well-Known Member

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    It's nothing special at all. Very basic, nu metal ish. But I don't know it's got some catchiness and power in the chorus. I'd def rather hear it than Frolic Room or Solar Flare
     
  4. robb

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    Perfect Mistake is incredibly dumb, and I love it. SA's verse isn't good, Nick's is. The music is derivative slop, but hot damn do I - uh - nod my head to it.

    The chorus - if you don't have pop punk from your late teens to early 20's in your heart, you might not like it. But it is the one time on the album where Feldy's history works for me.

    SA changing his vocal inflections in the final chorus might be my favorite little detail on the whole album.
     
  5. robb

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    As for On a Roll - the whole song is harmlessly catchy if you ditch the Jock Jams chorus.

    Mid tempo Nick verses are fine. That SA pre-chorus is gold. But that chorus sucks butt.
     
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  6. MargeInTheLargin

    MargeInTheLargin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think that's what kills it for me. It's like they decided to force in a generic "millennial whoop" pop element to the song. I remember on my first listen through the album I immediately was off-put by it, but when they even did that corny thing where they drop everything but the drums and the "whoahs" before doing the final chorus I just kind of laughed. My wife was sitting with me at the time and said "what the fuck are they doing?" That first listen through in general was interesting because there were so many tracks that totally blew the hairs right off of my nutsack, while others like Honor Roll and Titty Cough basically pissed me off.

    Stereolithic on the other hand was nothing but "fuck yeah!" the whole time listening through.
     
  7. SurferCaliSoca

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    Ok, this I can accept now that I think about it. I said in the last page I can’t seem to get into On a Roll but reading your post makes sense, it’s definitely not the worst 311 song but I guess I just never really give it a chance. As for Perfect Mistake, I actually dig it except yes SA’s verse is what it is, I dig the guitars and it’s the only Feldman track I really liked from the start.
     
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  8. robb

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    Let's appreciate SA's verse in PM bringing the comedy live.

    "It's going off in the pit like you wouldn't believe" is a verse that - every time I've seen it performed - makes me look around at the median aged ~35 crowd not going off in a way that I can very much believe.

    Not to say the crowd won't still go wild - it's just not happening in the first verse of PM, which makes for some sad aesthetics.
     
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  9. SlowCrates

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    Yeah they should be playing Creatures before that song, where Nick does that crowd stir thing.
     
  10. BP3311

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    I remember legitimately laughing like 15 seconds into Wildfire the first listen after getting through TMNT. The contrast of quality in the two -and particularly how strong an opener it obviously would be- just was overwhelming.
     
  11. Adamp1916

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    On a roll would have been fine if they didnt build a stupid clap along into it.

    One of the worst choruses on 311s entire catalog. It's one thing to try and force a clap along live.... its another thing to flat out fucking record one.

    On a roll can lick beans.
     
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  12. MargeInTheLargin

    MargeInTheLargin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's one of those tracks where, for my personal preferences, I would have liked for them to basically wipe out all the vocals and start over. Well, maybe SA's can stay. I've said that before about Little Brother. SA lets loose and I like him on that, otherwise Nick's verses and the chorus are silly when they could have been badass with that instrumental.
     
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  13. robb

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    I meant to make this a one reaction response. But then I decided to throw the song up on Youtube to actually assess the situation. I write lots of bullshit, I know - so let's take it next level. Bulleted list.

    • Typing in "311 O" it suggested "311 One And The Same". I was tempted to just give up on research and listen to that instead.
    • I don't think I previously noticed that wack fake Jamaican accent SA throws on "underground" before. That's some Eminem accent levels
    • Championing being straight from the underground into that chorus - it's borderline parody
    • Nick's verses are there. That's all I can / will say
    • SA's pre-chorus is so good. He takes a bunch of cliches and turns it into a little motivational speech. He is Rumpelstilskin.
    • I love gang vocals. LOVE THEM. My aforementioned being a pop punk / hardcore kid for a long time dug that into me. But you need to make it seem like the whole band and some friends are in the booth doing it. Not "make some layer of indeterminable mash of probably humans / maybe ethereal voices in a program."
    • P-Nut gives a really fun little bassline during the solo.
    • Chad's drumming on the outro - maybe this is showing up in the song but I'm dumb and often can't point that out. But put that solid and simple jam somewhere else. It rules. It's got that T2 / AFI dun dun DUN dun dun vibe
    • Imagine that fade out restarting the CD in your car into Turtles. Yikes.
     
  14. Cleon

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    Yeah On a Roll really doesn't do it for me. It just reminds me so much of a disney-esq song. The only part I like is Nick's verses, or honestly just when he says 'for a long long time now'. lol

    I actually like Places better I think. Unpopular opinion I know.
     
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  15. MargeInTheLargin

    MargeInTheLargin Well-Known Member

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    There's nothing wrong with Places as a song, I just don't understand why it's on a 311 album. Like Titty Cough, I feel like it was a song that was to be shopped around to other pop artists and for some insane reason it ended up in 311's hands. Though of course, Places is WAY better than Tit. And of course we all know the unforgivable inclusion of some other vocalist other than SA to do the Jason Mraz ripoff shit in it. Like, why?

    So again, all this is reasons why Stereolithic is better. There's nothing on there that begs the question "why?". They take on new styles such as in Made In The Shade and Tranquility, and both feel perfectly at home on a 311 album.
     
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  16. SlowCrates

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    I switched my vote. I'm finding that while I think Mosaic has the highest highs, with wildfire, too late, and one and the same, Stereolithic has a more consistent string of strong songs. Ebb and Flow and Five of Everything are very strong right off the bat. Classic sounding, yet free in a polished kind of way. Them at their best. If the rest of the album were "meh" it would still be a top 9 album based on those two songs. But then there's a fucking unrelenting sequence of surprisingly strong songs. My favorites in that sequence are Make it Rough, Friday Afternoon, Simple True, First Dimension, Made in the Shade, and Existential Hero. They're all top tier jams.

    I'm off the Mosaic train and back on Stereolithic.
     
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  17. MargeInTheLargin

    MargeInTheLargin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah dude, the whole album is kick as but I've always thought the string of songs you mentioned is fuckin legendary. I even would start it back one on Boom Shanka.
     
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  18. jukeboxgroove

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    Will be listening to SL w/ my new headphones while making breakfast today
     
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  19. SlowCrates

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    In a perfect world we get the best of both of these albums combined into one super album.

    Imagine... The best songs from each album, plus maybe 5 or 6 equally good, if not better jammy jams. Holy mother of Christ.
     
  20. Oliver

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    It really is a shame that they brought Feldmann in to contaminate Mosaic.

    Beating a dead horse here.. But if Mosaic were just the Scotch 12, it would've easily been a top 5 311 album hands down, for me at least. But as much as we can edit our own personal track lists and delete the Feldmann 5 off our devices.. those 5 will forever be on the official album, contaminating an otherwise near-perfect 12.

    But for whatever reason, they (nick & pnut?) weren't content with the 12.. And while Stereolithic is great, I rank the Mosaic Scotch 12 so high that it still ranks slightly over it even with the crap 5.

    It just really bugs me because those 5 ARE on there & we all hate them. Sigh.
     

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