311 plagiarism - all examples here

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  1. Applied S.C.I.E.N.CE.

    Applied S.C.I.E.N.CE. Well-Known Member

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    That's not plagiarism though.
     
  2. Juan Gris

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    I suppose you're right, as 311 didn't do a straight sample of King of Swing singing "nod your head to this" repeatedly as Nick does in "Plain". I'm not a lawyer but reading through the definition of plagiarism in music does not seem to match (I think?). Either way, still a cool find.
     
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    Who's Got the Herb - Rock Ending
     
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  4. Dr.Hexum

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    That's hilarious ---nice find
     
  5. MargeInTheLargin

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    Of course Sublime directly ripped this one for Caress Me Down.
     
  6. Cleon

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    I don't get this. There's different levels of what's apparently claimed 'plagiarism' -from being inspired by something or paying tribute to it, to just trying to copy something and rip it off.

    I don't like the idea that I'm not allowed to quote something in lyrics I'm writing, especially if it's not even a song, like a poem or speech even. If there's a line or two in a poem I really love, I should be able to build off of it or pay tribute to it in singing/rapping it. There's limits and bounds, but not being able to give a nod to other written lines during a song is dumb.

    If SA loves that line "the hammer, and the chisel, etc." and it inspires him, I don't see it being blasphemous that he includes it in his rap or wants to rap/sing something similar. Again, giving tribute to it in a way.

    Copying other lyrics to songs is another deal, if you're just straight up stealing something someone else creativily built and sang it, and acting like it's your musical creation, then yeah I see that as plagiarism. But quoting or paying tribute to something and shaping a song with it is a cool thing, and I think it's ridiculous to shout plagiarism at that.

    Similarities through coincidences do happen, too, which should be allows considered. The more we move down the humanity timeline, the more music and art people make, and the tendency for coincidences heightens.

    As far as instrumental plagiarism goes, I think it's more lenient. I also think on a subconscious level your brain gets inspired by sounds and some degree of plagiarism is inevitable. There's also only so many notes and patterns that can be played given the instrument. Plagiarism exists instrumentally too, it does, but I think it's even less cut and dry most of the time.

    All in all, I think this thread is reaching.
     
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  7. MargeInTheLargin

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    Yeah I think there is some reaching going on, but there are some that I would call definite rip offs beyond just having an influence or paying homage.
     
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    Was Tranquility/Yellow mentioned? If not then yeah, that. Love both songs by the by.
     
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  9. Transistor101

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    Do you mean The Scientist? It has the same chords as Tranquillity and they both have the “Ow-wooooo” sections.
     
  10. Ronnie

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    Nahm. The ahh..whooooooo parts.
     
  11. lit luminous

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    I'll admit that calling it "plagiarism" is kind of a bullshit clickbait tactic. At the same time, there are definitely examples (SA's verse in Starshines, the entire Bridge of Getting Through to Her) that I would honestly call plagiarism. Paying tribute is cool, but when SA quotes giant sections, I wish he would acknowledge that somewhere, I believe many in the audience have no idea where those lines came from (I didn't!). It contributes to the feeling that he is presenting the lines as original.
     
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  12. robb

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    Yeah, we're onto you and all that sweet money you're raking in with the activity in this thread.
     
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  13. Running123

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    Doesn’t “Down” rip off “Amber” by 311?
     
  14. MargeInTheLargin

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    Yes
     
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    The riff in Self-Esteem sounds like a rip-off of an Offspring song.
     
  16. MargeInTheLargin

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    You ever notice how Love Song sounds a lot like that one song from The Cure? It's weird. I think that Cure song was called something like "Dump Truck".
     
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    There's a section in one of the stereolithic songs that strait up COPIES a 311 song from one of their first albums.
     
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  18. Running123

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    Are you talking about the samples in Boom Shanka and Existential Hero?
     
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    I prefer to think that 311 isn't stooping down to taking the ahhhhwooooos from the garbage barge that is Coldplay . I hope that they're actually the ahhhhwooooos from the musical masterpiece My Own Worst Enemy by the legends known as Lit..
     
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  20. RubADub

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    311 plagiarized themselves at least a couple of times with this melody:
    "Do I go back to the style I came from it's not something you can fake son"
    "I can't free myself of the suspicion for your motives on your mission"
    "Fenced in like a dog between houses balled up by the trouble my mouth gets"
     
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