311 plagiarism - all examples here

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  1. skiing311

    skiing311 Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't this fit in the realm of "sampling", which is generally more accepted? Sunset in July seems to have been written to complement the sample, but it is clearly a lot different (and much more lame) than that song.

    Edit: Nevermind. I see that @Rod311 basically discussed the same thing.
     
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  2. Bullroarer75

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    Didn't the Beasties credit most of the samples they used, ideas they borrowed/copied from? I remember that Public Enemy often did.

    Acknowledging your influences (and crediting sources for lyrics, beats, and melodies) also leads to goodwill amongst artists, perhaps even yielding future collaborations and partnerships - at least a stronger sense of community. 311 (or their management) doesn't seem to understand this.

    of course, shutting down a long running Bulletin Board with merely a couple days notice doesn't show a keen understanding of goodwill and sense of community either.

    311 is kinda pulling a Led Zeppelin on us.
     
  3. Bullroarer75

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    I agree.

    Kymani Marley's song uses fewer notes, and is far less complex (I"m a prog rock fan so complexity is cool with me), but its far more affecting than SIJ.
     
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  4. Bullroarer75

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    Kymani Marley was up and coming in the late 1990's - perhaps Nick and SA heard snippets of Warriors when they vacationed in Jamaica in 1998.
     
  5. BP3311

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    Totally ripped off the song at 20:30 ..
     
  6. Bullroarer75

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    This show was after 1995 though, right?
     
  7. BP3311

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    95 was right in the middle of the show's heyday . It's more I was just joking/ bringing attention to the times where there was a day that 311 was legitimately mainstream enough that a show would make a parody of their music. What a time to be alive
     
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  8. MargeInTheLargin

    MargeInTheLargin Well-Known Member

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    How fucking hilarious would that be though if it was the other way around and 311 actually did rip off that song from Bill Nye? I wouldn't even be mad.
     
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  9. robb

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    Bill Nye is always getting ripped off.

    Morrissey stole almost everything about this song, and didn't give any credit:

     
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    I haven't seen this one!

    great one!
     
  11. ninjames

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    Yeah they stole this from Kid ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!

    (this is a joke)
     
  12. ninjames

    ninjames Well-Known Member

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    There is no such thing as "new" or original in art... It has all been done before, nothing new under the sun.... Artists who never steal typically suck
     
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    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/doors-debut-album-10-things-you-didnt-know-w458833

    in that article Ray Manzarek talks about how every great riff and lick they stole from their favorite artists...... The Doors

    Here is the quote taken from the article.. Ray Manzarek was awesome and completely honest about their craft.

    ----In the same documentary Manzarek also demonstrates how he lifted the keyboard bass line from Ray Charles' "What'd I Say," as well as elements of his organ solo. "We'd steal from anybody!"---
     
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    Wasn't there also an oingo boingo song that was cribbed for the chorus of thank your lucky stars?
     
  16. DeadlyOnTheBass

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    I've been meaning to reply to this and say that because of this post, I've had Getting Through To Her and Oingo Boingo's "Mary" stuck in my head all week so far lol

    Listening to Mary, it really IS like listening to what could be considered the original version of Getting Through To Her. It's almost creepy.

    I had an instance like that with a song of my own. I recorded a demo of one of my own originals back in 2003 called "Hold Me Now". In 2005, i bought Weezer's new (at the time) album "Make Believe" cuz i loved their song "Perfect Situation". I see the track listing on the case and they have a song called "Hold Me". I thought "that's kinda cool, they have a song with almost the same title as one of mine". Then i listened...2 years after i wrote and recorded MY song, and theirs is almost musically identical. So i re-recorded mine and altered my chord progression so it wasn't identical. I figured "well, they're famous and making money with theirs, I'm just a nobody solo musician from New Hampshire...i can't have the same song even though mine is 2 years older" lol
     
  17. Bald Bull

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    Please explain where the plagiarism is.
     
  19. Bald Bull

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    Just n the name. I hate the thread title. Should be called 311 refereencing other influences.
     
  20. Juan Gris

    Juan Gris Well-Known Member

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    No, starting at the 0:44 mark there's a repetition of "nod your head to this" like in 311's "Plain". Good reference, Juke.
     

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