311 plagiarism - all examples here

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  1. lit luminous

    lit luminous New Member

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    I'll start. There are many more, but "Getting Through To Her" clearly plagiarized "Mary" by Oingo Boingo.

    I'll come back with more examples later, but my old thread got deleted, probably because it was embarrassing for the band. Maybe it can stay up here at the unofficial place.
     
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    There isn't an infinite amount of theoretical beats to be dropped. It can only be done so many ways. All music plagerizes.

    Gfy, lit.
     
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    From William Blake, Jerusalem:

    The hammer & the chisel, & the rule & compasses; from London fleeing
    They forg'd the sword on Cheviot, the chariot of war & the battle-ax,


    From Omaha Stylee, "by" SA Martinez:

    The hammer and the chisel and the rule it compass
    We forged the sword chariots of war our battle axe
     
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    From Alexander Pope, Essay on Man:

    To him no high, no low, no great, no small;
    He fills, he bounds, connects, and equals all.

    From Hostile Apostle, "by" SA Martinez:

    No high, no low, no great, and no small
    Build and bound, connect and equal all
     
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  5. 311monki

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    Mostly it's non musicians that refer to when they hear something similar as plagiarism. In general musical creativity is a culmination of everything the artist has heard in their life. 99% of the time if something similar happens, it's by coincidence and unintentional.
    There's nothing wrong with this thread, citing similarities between songs in music, just calling it plagiarism is stupid.
     
  6. lit luminous

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    Most of SA's verse in Starshines is taken from a somewhat obscure 90s hip hop song...but I can't find it, someone here knows what it is, I'm sure. Can you remind me?
     
  7. lit luminous

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    Interestingly, there is a book of poems called "The Continuous Life" by Mark Strand containing the line (in turn taken from a translation of Virgil's Aeneid):

    And so, passing under the dome of the great sky.

    This line appears verbatim in "Silver".
     
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  8. MargeInTheLargin

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    This isn't just "influenced by" or anything, the instrumental is a straight rip off for Sunset In July.

     
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    I need things spelled out more clearly.

    Show lyrics from song and then where they are copied from.
     
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    Why not instrumental examples too? I think my post above yours fits the thread.
     
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  11. lit luminous

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    Sorry, I'm assuming you know 311's catalog...

    Let's see...

    the first one " the hammer and the chisel..." is from "Omaha Stylee"
    "no high no low..." is from "Hostile Apostle"
    "and so passing...." is from "Silver"
     
  12. lit luminous

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    wow...good one. I had no idea. Quick check...no credit given.
     
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  13. lit luminous

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    Returning to my OP, here is the clip:


    I challenge you not to hear some obvious sections from Getting Through To Her in there.
     
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    always an excuse sounds a lot like the beginning of this opeth song

     
  16. Terp

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    Sorry. Guess I'm not the target audience.

    Without seeing the lyrics next to their source material, I can't make a determination.

    I'll take your word for it though. I'm sure they have taken lines from others. I'm not sure when that becomes plagiarism though. Have they ever been sued?
     
  17. lit luminous

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    The actual line is almost verbatim what I quoted, so there's not really any doubt about it. Eg.

    From William Blake, Jerusalem:

    The hammer & the chisel, & the rule & compasses; from London fleeing
    They forg'd the sword on Cheviot, the chariot of war & the battle-ax,

    From Omaha Stylee, "by" SA Martinez:

    The hammer and the chisel and the rule it compass
    We forged the sword chariots of war our battle axe


    Well, things like William Blake and Alexander Pope are in public domain since those authors have been dead for hundreds of years. I think some of this other stuff (Sunset in July was a single, though!), has been obscure enough that the original artists never found out. I think OC or Kymani Marley or Oingo Boingo would have a case.
     
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    Thanks! That's helpful and exactly what I hoping to see.
     
  19. lit luminous

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    Thank you!!!
     
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    I edited the earlier posts with citations.
     

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